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PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 9:35 am 
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Alan wrote:
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Where do you guys find your BB ply? I haven't had any luck finding it locally.


I wasn't able to find it locally either, so I ordered it online.

http://woodnshop.com/Hardwood/Baltic_Birch_Plywood.htm


Thank you Alan! [:Y:]


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 12:33 pm 
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Kim wrote:
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Just to toss a wrench into the works... I've been using BB for end blocks for a while now without any issues cropping up. At a recent builders get-together, one of the guys mentioned he had a couple of glue failures on the "end grain" where the back & / or top pulled away.
Since I heard that, I have been epoxying (is that a word?) a mahogany or walnut strip on the top & bottom of the blocks.
The grain is oriented so that the top & black glue to the flat sawn surface. The quarter sawn face glues to the sides.
Probably overkill, but it makes me feel better.......

Maybe I don't quite understand; it sounds like your mahogany or walnut strips are glued to the "end grain" so what's the difference?
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Epoxy

The assumption here being that- at least in this situation- epoxy makes a stronger bond than other glues? Specifically, stronger than the glue being used to assemble the box?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 2:52 pm 
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pvg wrote:
The assumption here being that- at least in this situation- epoxy makes a stronger bond than other glues? Specifically, stronger than the glue being used to assemble the box?
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When epoxy is used correctly on end grain, e.g. components are primed prior to assembly, then IMHO that is correct.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 8:33 pm 
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Kim wrote:
pvg wrote:
The assumption here being that- at least in this situation- epoxy makes a stronger bond than other glues? Specifically, stronger than the glue being used to assemble the box?
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pvg


When epoxy is used correctly on end grain, e.g. components are primed prior to assembly, then IMHO that is correct.

Cheers

Kim


Hi Kim - newbie question here - what do you mean by 'primed'? I'm guessing you mean slathering some epoxy on the surfaces to be joined and letting it penetrate a bit before joining, but I wonder if there something more to it I'm not aware of. :mrgreen:


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 9:35 pm 
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I've been out of touch all day, but Kim has the right of it. I feel the epoxy gives a better bond on the variable surface of the "end grain" plywood.
I epoxy the block to the sides as well. My blocks are machine sanded to the arc of the sides at the butt. This leaves a fair amount of plywood adhesive exposed at the joint. Again, I feel it's safer to use epoxy in this situation.
I haven't heard the expression "primed" used in this context before. On Epoxy joints I rub glue into both surfaces before assembly. Is that what you mean, Kim?


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 12:56 am 
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Daniel Minard wrote:
I haven't heard the expression "primed" used in this context before. On Epoxy joints I rub glue into both surfaces before assembly. Is that what you mean, Kim?


Pretty much.

I use Smiths Allwood, (very good product by the way) they suggest it is good practice to accurately measure both parts and stir well for at least 1 min, allow the mix to rest for 10 to 20min, stir again, apply the mix to both surfaces and if there is any exposed end grain, allowing the mix to sit on the wood "for at least half the pot life prior to assembly" I guess this could be considered a 'partial' prime and would be all that is required for guitar end blocks.

A full prime would not be used in guitar construction. It is however recommended for end grain to end grain joints or when bonding very uneven surfaces. It is achieved by applying the rested epoxy to both surfaces, leveling, and then allowing the epoxy to fully cure on each component. A fresh batch of epoxy is then mixed and applied sparingly to the primed surfaces for assembly.

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